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is very much the invoke subject and I

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suppose to some extent there's a kind of

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feeling of deja vu or oh no not again

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um and I sympathize with that if that's

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the way you're feeling about this whole

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however I hope that to some extent a

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um the way that we're going to look at

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the abduction experience over the next

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few minutes we'll be a different

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approach not necessarily a radical

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approach and from where I come from in

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Britain it's a fairly common approach

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it's the sort of way that we tend to

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interpret it I think it's a kind of

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cultural difference in a way in which we

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evaluate UFOs from Nation to Nation

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bills differ and I don't think there's

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anything wrong with that

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we can learn from one another we should

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be prepared to do that nobody has a

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monopoly on Truth nobody can say that

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they know what the answer is

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um and even though the title of the book

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which is the mystery Soul

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um perhaps there should be a question

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mark in that title

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um but certainly I I don't want to make

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any pensions claims that saying what

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we've done we're making some progress

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towards an answer and I think that is

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really as far as we will find that we've

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um so look at this in a visual sense I

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think that's the best way to do it

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you can't see these uh slides because I

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can't see them very well at all from

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here but that's probably because of the

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lights but um if you want any more

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nights down that's fine by me okay

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that's fine right now this is

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um as you probably recognized a scene

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from Steven Spielberg's Close Encounters

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of the Third Kind and it's the way in

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which we would typically associate the

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abduction experience in a kind of

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fictional mythical way it's nice

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friendly what I like to call

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Intergalactic Cavalry riding in to the

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rescue of mankind and it's the sort of

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scenario that we often as associate with

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the Affliction experience

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handle the abduction experience totally

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differently very perceived it as a

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subject was making sensationalize they

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want to scare people

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um and in effect they've taken the same

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Anonymous the same set of experiences

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so they talk about horror use words like

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that to describe it now in a sense that

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that is based on the truth because that

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is what Witnesses do tend to describe

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they say that in experiences which

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happen to them are frightening they say

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that they are traumatic

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um yes at the same time there's a kind

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of element of of awe and an aura of

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Mystique about them as well and this

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immediately brings to brings us to the

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heart of the whole phenomenon because it

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it shows that there's a kind of a split

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profitable evidence goes in One

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Direction half of the evidence goes in

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an order this is an all-inspiring

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experience or is it a terrorizing

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now of course you want to recognize this

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careful what I say about situations like

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this there's a photograph of our old

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friend George adamski Well if they're

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ready to represent the contact team

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movement from the 1950s and to prove the

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is there a difference between what was

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going on 30 years ago and what is

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happening now

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are our friction experiences something

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which has been concurrent throughout the

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UFO phenomenon since the first densities

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in 1947 or is it something which has

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changed dramatically a new thing which

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has only begun over the past 20 or 30

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years and and the key to that question

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lies in these cases these these

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complexity reports which patterned

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not the only 1950s to the late 1950s

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but our similarities there's no doubt

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anybody who has seen some of the modern

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day of the peace particularly the ones

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who approach it with a kind of aim for

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Evangelical Zeal or realize that however

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sincere they may be they are to a very

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large extent modern day complexes

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because it's favored that the experience

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that they've had has imparted into them

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a message was they then have to get

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across to other people and that in

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effect is what the contract team

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philosophy is all about

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however there are also differences

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as Georgia daskey generally speaking the

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interaction between the witness and the

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phenomenon was voluntary that is it

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broadens an enforced experience and

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modern day abortions are typified by the

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fact that they are in effect kidnaps

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these entities take the witness by force

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so there is a crucial difference as well

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as to some extent similarities and

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this is really a straightforward simple

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problem and it's very easy to sort of

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put ourselves into a polarized state of

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mind whereby we interpret the evidence

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in the way that we want to interpret it

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so we must be we must try and guard

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against that if it was tempting to do it

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because we all have our own ideas about

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what is going on and we may be no more

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right than anybody else

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um inevitably therefore we're going to

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color our thinking to some extent and

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accept certain evidence and reject

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society which is still very active today

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um the surviving aspect of contact years

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of which still flourishes over there

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um and in fact he's still seeing to a

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very large extent as representative of

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the UFO movement in British they are

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treated as a UFO research group and they

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are perceived as ufologists

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uh urologists don't perceive them as

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ufologists I want hated to ask and

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there's a kind of uneasy truce which

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um the difference is that of course is

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there a society don't investigate UFO

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sightings I know this because I've done

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radio programs with the television

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program tonight I've tried to talk basic

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philosophy with them and they admit that

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effectively they are a channel in the

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same way as many people here today are

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reporting channeling experiences as

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their own and therefore they don't

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actually need to investigate individual

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reports they are effectively fair to

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to a religious movement than they are to

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a UFO research society which is an

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interpretation of the of the phenomenon

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not necessarily any better or any worse

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than the philosophy of an investigator

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or an investigative Group which I freely

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admit at this point that is basically

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what I am I am not an abductee I'm not a

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contractee I'm not a Channel or anything

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like that I am effectively an

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investigator

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I I was trained as a science science

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teacher I investigate UFO reports and

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says this is what happens to me I

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therefore have to evaluate that

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experience document that see how much of

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it can be verified and then look for

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patterns and parallels between them

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community and the British branch of the

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Assyrian society which is still its sort

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of half is now organized by a youthful

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dedicated people who who certainly

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um with all their Urology for me

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annual ritual which I think is a bit

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about your Miss America Vision pageant

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this is that every nation in Europe and

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supposed to have a competition on its

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television channel to elect a song to

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represent the country and then on one's

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restful night of the year they actually

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coroned all of these funds now they are

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not actually proper songs I mean no

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self-respecting songwriters would go

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anywhere near this contest so you know

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talent shows on Earth competitions

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everybody's competition goes on forever

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which was entitled only the light

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clothes encounter and the words would

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aliens with which he was an actual troll

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that he was going to win the competition

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the reason why significant is not

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because it was the first abduction as

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Antonio said chronologically it wasn't

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for some extent The Untold will ruins

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those kids reverence the first adoption

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because experience is dating back now

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quite a few years prior to answer any of

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those which presumably books

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experiences which were reported over

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time prior to Antonio Spurs which

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probably could have been affections and

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so forbidden become fooled by an

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assumptions because

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because used at the time

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and also you've got all this problem of

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how should you interpret

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trunks mythological stories from a few

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interesting because um I was saying the

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sort of things that I'm saying now the

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presenter was was in front of trying to

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persuade me but when I was over led by

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this was that the Bible was the very

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first autobiography by an act of tea

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old stories and interpret them in terms

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of options if you want to but there is a

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danger of doing that because the further

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back in time inflows the less we know

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about this sort of mindset of the people

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responsible for the text and it's always

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dangerous to read into a situation

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things which probably work out in the

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first place and put onto it a stamp

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that's associated with our own

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1961 was important is because

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it was the case which

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when were fractured the abduction

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phenomenon so far as Society was

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concerned effectively they were driving

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along a road they saw something in the

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sky

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this is uh buying a sketch of what it

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was

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back that they realized that there were

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stranger aspects to the story and those

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strange aspects emerge out of a kind of

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symbiosis from food all emerged

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spontaneously they came because the

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investigators said ah now wait a minute

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so how long does astrology take

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and gradually they realized that there

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was apparently a side blast because the

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journey however take longer than it

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should have done but when the Steelers

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physical marks and damage to the car

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things like that and a kind of prototype

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of what an approaching experience should

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be like was created I was spontaneously

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because that's how the phenomenon was

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suddenly happening or it was produced by

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investigators looking at the phenomenon

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in a different way I don't know and

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we've got to realize that we don't know

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and understand that questions like this

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what impact investigators have on

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abduction experiences do have to be

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asked I think we we tend not to look at

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it from that point of view we tend to

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assume that we are objective things like

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robots who are just pulling apart and

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experience of a human being and we have

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learned for the essence of the abduction

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experience for those

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because

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interacting with another human being who

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has had a bizarre experience and the

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ultimate experience that is described

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and wanted into the literature of our

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field is a combination of those two

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people usually nothing over a long

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period of time sometimes working with

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doctors and psychiatrists and so on to

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and inevitably I'd rather morass the

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final Story the Divergent has got to

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have had some impact from the other

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people involved rather than the witness

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themselves so we mustn't forget our

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point

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photographs like that

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abduction cases

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and the fact that there was a TV movie

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made illustrates the impact the case had

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because it was turned into a

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best-selling brought by John Forrest

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called The interoperative Journey but

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was through realized on newspapers all

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over the world

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um by about the mid-1960s everybody knew

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and frictions were here and everybody

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settled in Western culture was to some

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extent associated with the phenomena

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increase in their subconscious mind

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it's all about

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so from the kind of vertices

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um after this case became publicized it

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was no longer possible to

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this as being ignorant of abductions of

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course there were some and there were

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people in remote cultures who had no

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association with this but it's a very

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large extent that wasn't true and that

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happened again more recently in 1987

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with the impact of communion favor and

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over the last couple of years

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we are there for a fluid as you can see

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immediately our problem is also of

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Sociology another Monsters made of

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breaded half which we've probably given

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much thought to before but I've worked

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on him with his nice objective

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phenomenon which we control the pieces

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find easiest to but we're finding that

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there are things intruding into our our

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nice little kind of questions which we

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don't want and which we don't know how

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to deal with

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so how does the abduction experience

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differ where I come from in Britain this

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is in fact

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um the witness to the first abduction

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experience that was actually

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investigated and reported and publicized

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and he was traveling with his family

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wife three children home from a trip out

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to some family friends and relatives a

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few miles outside of London in October

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of 1974.

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[Music]

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and I saw the home because they wanted

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to get back to watch a television

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[Music]

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they could stop themselves riding into

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it because they were too close and as

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well went in the car radio which was

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switched on suddenly started to crackle

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and sparkles and John who was driving

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instinctively pulled out all the wiring

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to cut it off and stop an electrical

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[Music]

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well

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that was the situation

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it stood for quite a long period and it

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may have stayed that way permanently

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they had no inkling but they had an

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abduction experience they said

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during the start of the next couple of

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years they did start to have strange

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dreams not just the adults of children

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too from peculiar images normally of a

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very horrible face looking a bit like a

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bat with large common ears and furry

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features and so on and they also changed

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their lifestyle dramatically they will

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stop eating meat they became very

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ecologically conscious and there were

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with the experience

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and it was only when

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um the UFO investigator happened to

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stumble upon the case I thought these

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things might be important started to put

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two and two together and make 22. and

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then realized that where we have an

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embryonic Affliction and the first step

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in any self-respect he investigators

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investigation of an embryonic

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consumption is to pass the witnesses off

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to the nearest psychiatrist not to prove

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them saying or anything not to magically

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hypnotize them and read out them memory

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of the missing period of time of course

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that is possible for what is also

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possible is that hypnosis can stimulate

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fantasy most people who carry out

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hypnotic research are not sure

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how

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information that emerges can be

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established between fact and fantasy

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fiction imagination and all the

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different strands in between so

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immediately and in yet another problem

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to the database that you're creating by

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employing hypnosis anyhow we have the

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conscious testimony here we have the

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subconscious testimony of their dreams

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the testimony emerging out of hypnosis

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which was a standard abduction scenario

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[Music]

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astral projection uh elements to it the

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other side of the UFO for example the

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witnesses saw themselves they were

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standing on a kind of rolling and they

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could see the car and their own bodies

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down below because it had sort of been

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separated into a sebastral self and a

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about the whole case

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um when they were actually screamed into

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the UFO they did something in a very out

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of bloody way that the whole experience

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had very heavy primarks of an antibody

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experience

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and also when you looked at the track

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record of the family you saw very

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quickly that they had a little

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were an ordinary citizen these were

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people who work for the kind of psychic

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world

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so the first versus affection points

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could be looked back in two different

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ways depending upon how you wanted to

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interpret the evidence if you wanted to

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take the referral party line and I known

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for Hopkins which is

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junk is obviously irrelevant what

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and they preferred their genetic

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we have been genetically engineered by

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them we're throwing basically regardless

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of their pets

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and they showed them

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these experiences

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which was in a bad way and there was to

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try and hope they were a world going

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through the same situation explosion of

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course

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ecologically conscious lifestyle

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afterwards on the other hand there's a

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link to those sort of adult ufologists

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that you say hi but hang on what about

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experience if foreign

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[Music]

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experiences

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[Music]

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Americans abduction is tend to be

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stocked with

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world for

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tourism with large action heads gray

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pasty faces large eyes and salt but that

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isn't the case in British absorption

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British

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and similar in many centers to these

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sort of around Georgia basketball games

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the originalists of normal human height

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of Torah and they're emotionally

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foreskinned blonde hair blue eyes very

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[Music]

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and answered that question by saying

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well obviously what is happening is that

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um there are different breeds of aliens

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and then sort of putting out different

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nations and that they are responsible

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interior which might begin with the

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story Antonio was playing as before

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about the map that someone saw from the

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UFO

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I don't know but I mean that seems to be

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slightly far-fetched but a more

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economical suggestion which might not

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mean is correct but it's certainly a

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plausible way of looking at is received

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um these differences which occur which

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follow cultural patterns

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I'm one of them because we're still in

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this filter through the mechanism of

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human consciousness and therefore

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inevitably however similarated in the

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first place it has to take off

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attributes of the society through which

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it manifests and it's interesting that

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the sort of British aliens like this are

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usually pretty friendly good mannered

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and so on whereas from the American

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alien to divide your sort of scientific

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technician who is very good at dealing

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with instruments going along with the

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job and not bothering too much about the

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witness doors if you get in the way of

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the process whereas in South America

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particularly the invertible cases

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that you tried to associate with South

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America consequently does that suggest

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that there was a kind of direct parallel

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between uh the kind of social studying

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type of the culture and the audience

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that manifests the uh it seems that it

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might

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um and in fact the practice is more

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interesting when you look at countries

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such as Australia well absolutely

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have affections now however that

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difficult to believe in this day and age

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um because investigators over there are

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beginning to find it a bit hard to

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believe but they don't they just don't

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receive but I couldn't have sort of

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disabled the fact that

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um euphorologists in Australia amongst

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the most skeptical

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[Music]

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experiences are fantasy-proving

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personality phenomena and the effective

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for everybody who sees the UFO and he's

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basically just Ultra imaginative

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that's a reason why they just modify the

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entire abduction for dominant as a race

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[Music]

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another very last permanently difficult

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British abduction cases is this one this

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has to be a police officer called Alan

566
00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:03,299
Godfrey uh in December 1980 he was on

567
00:28:08,090 --> 00:28:04,980
the patrol reviews

568
00:28:09,409 --> 00:28:08,100
car one morning uh looking for some cows

569
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:09,419
which were rolling

570
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:11,520
a housing estate on the edge of some

571
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:13,200
hills

572
00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:14,960
um

573
00:28:20,029 --> 00:28:17,940
objects which was literally reported in

574
00:28:29,169 --> 00:28:20,039
front of the low height which he first

575
00:28:35,149 --> 00:28:31,669
like that

576
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:35,159
now on the line uh I've met this witness

577
00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:36,799
many times

578
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:38,820
but the only occasions when he's

579
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:46,850
their adamant but whatever else is true

580
00:28:51,470 --> 00:28:49,440
or not true the film that he saw that

581
00:28:54,250 --> 00:28:51,480
night on the road in front of his car

582
00:28:57,289 --> 00:28:54,260
was as real as anything

583
00:29:00,770 --> 00:28:57,299
your mother shake his conviction that

584
00:29:00,780 --> 00:29:05,769
[Music]

585
00:29:05,779 --> 00:29:11,810
traffic accidents

586
00:29:14,570 --> 00:29:13,490
when he was now is now thrilled around

587
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:14,580
the road that he should have been

588
00:29:21,169 --> 00:29:17,520
looking back puzzle because the sky was

589
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:21,179
now dark and the thing is gone and I'm

590
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,559
not sure that there was an actual time

591
00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:24,240
lapse in this case it's one of the many

592
00:29:28,610 --> 00:29:26,580
cases whereby there's good grounds to

593
00:29:30,529 --> 00:29:28,620
believe that the time lapse was an

594
00:29:31,850 --> 00:29:30,539
artifact constructed by the

595
00:29:34,010 --> 00:29:31,860
investigators

596
00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:34,020
that's a pretty heretical statement I

597
00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:35,940
know but I have seen it happen on a

598
00:29:39,769 --> 00:29:37,620
number of occasions where I'm quite

599
00:29:42,289 --> 00:29:39,779
convinced that there was no time left

600
00:29:44,510 --> 00:29:42,299
and that they investigated by careful

601
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,520
manipulation of weapons subconsciously

602
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,799
without a story

603
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:48,960
A reduced the time the Science Guy

604
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:50,880
convincing her witness to spiritually

605
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:53,279
the end of the experience later they

606
00:29:57,230 --> 00:29:54,720
thought they had

607
00:29:59,450 --> 00:29:57,240
and this was an instrument

608
00:30:01,549 --> 00:29:59,460
there was a parent for 10 or 15 minute

609
00:30:03,649 --> 00:30:01,559
time and I saw somebody agreed upon but

610
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,659
it was very doubtful there were

611
00:30:07,610 --> 00:30:05,520
certainly a space maps in the face that

612
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,620
the witness ended up from where I should

613
00:30:11,450 --> 00:30:09,360
be and further down the road

614
00:30:12,649 --> 00:30:11,460
professional fight the same thing

615
00:30:14,750 --> 00:30:12,659
anyway

616
00:30:17,630 --> 00:30:14,760
um to put a very long story short he did

617
00:30:20,130 --> 00:30:17,640
your hypnosis occurred

618
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:20,140
that he came out with the typical

619
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:21,360
[Music]

620
00:30:28,909 --> 00:30:24,960
the UFOs on a table or a bed examined by

621
00:30:30,889 --> 00:30:28,919
these robotic figures supervised by a

622
00:30:32,570 --> 00:30:30,899
fairly human looking figure went along

623
00:30:36,649 --> 00:30:32,580
Floyd

624
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,659
growth and a scorecap and then the

625
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:38,399
bigger in this case also had a very

626
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:42,000
biblical and call yourself Joseph

627
00:30:45,889 --> 00:30:43,679
um which is interesting because the

628
00:30:47,570 --> 00:30:45,899
doctor and both of the people in the

629
00:30:48,610 --> 00:30:47,580
room were investigating the case were

630
00:30:51,730 --> 00:30:48,620
Jewish

631
00:30:55,070 --> 00:30:51,740
and there's a seemed to be

632
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:55,080
fully coincidence that Jewish symbology

633
00:31:01,310 --> 00:30:56,880
emerged from his case the witness

634
00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:02,870
the places are very interesting and

635
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,620
complicated for me and for memorable

636
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:06,240
Elements which are relevant like for

637
00:31:10,909 --> 00:31:08,880
instance the fact that the witness when

638
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:10,919
you carefully questioned him admitted

639
00:31:15,169 --> 00:31:12,000
that there were several previous

640
00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:15,179
occasions in his life where he had jokes

641
00:31:20,330 --> 00:31:18,120
in memory of the same kind now settling

642
00:31:22,490 --> 00:31:20,340
with an initial signal for Brooke

643
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:22,500
Hopkins and investigators of that kind

644
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,679
of way of approaching the subject to put

645
00:31:30,289 --> 00:31:28,080
the witness wondering and the hypnosis

646
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:30,299
for all of those periods of time and see

647
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:32,159
what you could come up with and I would

648
00:31:37,549 --> 00:31:34,159
predict that if that doesn't happen

649
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:37,559
previous After official memories however

650
00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:40,640
in British case

651
00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:43,500
the witness was studied by medical

652
00:31:48,169 --> 00:31:46,020
doctors and they were asked can you come

653
00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:48,179
up with any kind of medical scenario

654
00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:50,760
which could account for this and the two

655
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,860
of them were totally convinced from the

656
00:31:56,029 --> 00:31:54,480
tests that they did although they were

657
00:31:57,710 --> 00:31:56,039
actually satisfied the weakness to this

658
00:31:59,880 --> 00:31:57,720
success

659
00:32:02,810 --> 00:31:59,890
satisfied

660
00:32:05,390 --> 00:32:02,820
[Music]

661
00:32:06,889 --> 00:32:05,400
which is basically someone who

662
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:06,899
[Music]

663
00:32:11,810 --> 00:32:09,600
falls asleep for a very very period of

664
00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:11,820
time wakes up again and doesn't realize

665
00:32:14,810 --> 00:32:13,260
that they've done that in the kind of

666
00:32:17,450 --> 00:32:14,820
it's similar in many respects of

667
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:17,460
epilepsy as a transient loss of

668
00:32:23,930 --> 00:32:20,399
consciousness and when they plan to see

669
00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:23,940
possible ways for her for the subject by

670
00:32:30,110 --> 00:32:26,760
thinking about ah now are these special

671
00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:30,120
trumps potentially explainable for some

672
00:32:34,490 --> 00:32:32,460
kind of actual medical cause is there

673
00:32:35,930 --> 00:32:34,500
some process going on in the brain which

674
00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:35,940
is causing the loss of consciousness

675
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:39,000
which is manifesting as a time lapse as

676
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:40,559
you evaluate the evidence in a certain

677
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:53,090
over the place

678
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:55,919
we're also with Mother himself totally

679
00:33:01,010 --> 00:32:58,320
convinced that the physical reality of

680
00:33:03,230 --> 00:33:01,020
that memory he constantly says things

681
00:33:05,149 --> 00:33:03,240
like I know I saw that object on the

682
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,159
road but remember that I came out with

683
00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:07,679
under hypnosis was different it had a

684
00:33:13,970 --> 00:33:10,020
kind of dreamlike quality it was

685
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:13,980
Visionary in its appearance and was

686
00:33:19,009 --> 00:33:16,799
distantly possible he fully unmitted but

687
00:33:20,930 --> 00:33:19,019
although prior to Natural experience

688
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:20,940
itself he has never had any interest in

689
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:23,279
knowledge or or have read any books

690
00:33:27,950 --> 00:33:26,159
about UFOs in the death of which will

691
00:33:30,649 --> 00:33:27,960
only explores fastening and the

692
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:30,659
abruption hypnosis occurring which was

693
00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:33,120
only for once but evil sufficient and

694
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:35,580
obviously absorbs information about the

695
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:37,200
subject because he became personally

696
00:33:42,110 --> 00:33:39,840
intrigued by what attracting him and he

697
00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:42,120
says the distinctly possible that the

698
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:44,700
Level under hypnosis was a kind of

699
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:47,039
privacy which in mind generated the

700
00:33:51,049 --> 00:33:48,720
typical gas

701
00:33:53,870 --> 00:33:51,059
now I I don't know that's interesting to

702
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,880
hear one of the best known as teas in

703
00:34:06,430 --> 00:33:55,200
the world coming out with a statement

704
00:34:11,629 --> 00:34:09,230
into abduction cases as a produced

705
00:34:13,369 --> 00:34:11,639
vulnerable and this comes up with

706
00:34:15,530 --> 00:34:13,379
and the top of

707
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,540
suspicions both on the amount of pages

708
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:17,520
available in this the complexity and

709
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,919
importance of the case and as Russell is

710
00:34:23,690 --> 00:34:21,359
said rather than about two or three

711
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:23,700
British cases which feature them in our

712
00:34:32,589 --> 00:34:26,280
topic listing so it was widely regarded

713
00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:38,050
the same

714
00:34:43,070 --> 00:34:41,089
Faith inevitably because if you've got a

715
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:43,080
situation where you are taking your

716
00:34:49,609 --> 00:34:47,040
witness to a doctor to try to relieve a

717
00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:49,619
period of time and if you're over group

718
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,480
and do our property to come up with a

719
00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:53,359
UFO scenario

720
00:34:57,890 --> 00:34:55,800
the doctor for their time so there's

721
00:35:00,890 --> 00:34:57,900
Financial questions involved there are

722
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,900
lots of subtle forces at work which a

723
00:35:04,849 --> 00:35:02,400
bit pressure on that witness to come up

724
00:35:06,589 --> 00:35:04,859
with the goods to produce and experience

725
00:35:09,050 --> 00:35:06,599
because that's expected often

726
00:35:27,410 --> 00:35:09,060
subconsciously so that's another factor

727
00:35:27,420 --> 00:35:49,490
foreign

728
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:56,830
and

729
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,109
[Music]

730
00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:02,329
a sort of semi-transparent thing with

731
00:36:06,970 --> 00:36:04,740
glass of jelly inside it it had his own

732
00:36:10,010 --> 00:36:06,980
peculiar substance ready for everyone

733
00:36:13,069 --> 00:36:10,020
but that Blended under the background a

734
00:36:17,390 --> 00:36:13,079
right foot and brick cell in a strange

735
00:36:19,790 --> 00:36:17,400
Way by putting on the chorus of the

736
00:36:22,490 --> 00:36:19,800
environment around it there's Brown

737
00:36:25,130 --> 00:36:22,500
Earth the green grass the blue sky and

738
00:36:28,510 --> 00:36:25,140
literally been absorbed back into the

739
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,910
which is very interesting

740
00:36:36,910 --> 00:36:32,640
I

741
00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:36,920
then went away from this experience

742
00:36:43,329 --> 00:36:40,980
suffering a tremendous forever not a

743
00:36:46,990 --> 00:36:43,339
psychological trauma a physical trauma

744
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,000
involving historical blindness

745
00:36:53,210 --> 00:36:49,920
ability to speech

746
00:36:58,130 --> 00:36:53,220
physical symptoms such as tension

747
00:37:02,030 --> 00:37:00,890
several months after this thing had

748
00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:02,040
happened

749
00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:04,440
now obviously they faced the question of

750
00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:08,280
well some sort of physical disease was

751
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:10,380
the trouble for the experience of the

752
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:12,000
way around did they experience trigger

753
00:37:17,810 --> 00:37:15,599
any physical causes the doctors were

754
00:37:20,569 --> 00:37:17,820
anyone totally persuaded that it was

755
00:37:22,670 --> 00:37:20,579
that way around that the the fears came

756
00:37:26,089 --> 00:37:22,680
first and the physiological effects

757
00:37:28,910 --> 00:37:26,099
resulted from it so whatever else we can

758
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,920
say about experiences like this clearly

759
00:37:33,770 --> 00:37:30,960
something evolved with them is

760
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,780
physically real from energy must be rare

761
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,760
for it to have that kind of effect on

762
00:37:39,050 --> 00:37:37,680
weaknesses and you see that it's on an

763
00:37:40,849 --> 00:37:39,060
adorning cases there are too many

764
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:40,859
instances where there is obviously some

765
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:11,540
[Music]

766
00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:34,730
and they're proceeded to measure some

767
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,240
cows in the field these drugs not more

768
00:38:43,069 --> 00:38:40,800
naturally decided that they might be

769
00:38:45,170 --> 00:38:43,079
next on The Hit List and therefore I

770
00:38:47,329 --> 00:38:45,180
decided to make a boat for it but in the

771
00:38:50,930 --> 00:38:47,339
process of running away as they felt a

772
00:38:52,910 --> 00:38:50,940
strange Force pulling at them and it was

773
00:38:54,589 --> 00:38:52,920
apparently targeted on their mother

774
00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:54,599
regions

775
00:38:58,810 --> 00:38:56,110
um

776
00:39:02,030 --> 00:38:58,820
[Music]

777
00:39:03,710 --> 00:39:02,040
I also had physical effects associated

778
00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:03,720
with something usual thin threading of

779
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:06,540
the eyes pounding head against clear

780
00:39:11,569 --> 00:39:09,119
symptoms of some kind of energy forces

781
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:11,579
involved

782
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:12,960
okay

783
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:16,800
however most of the cases like this this

784
00:39:20,990 --> 00:39:20,400
is a guy who was out

785
00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:21,000
um

786
00:39:31,490 --> 00:39:29,940
police office deciding that we talked

787
00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:31,500
about before

788
00:39:35,329 --> 00:39:32,940
um and um

789
00:39:37,849 --> 00:39:35,339
you said that these two aliens has

790
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:37,859
arrived having gone out of the UFO and

791
00:39:41,930 --> 00:39:40,079
apparently missing purposes the gestures

792
00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:41,940
that you perform by bringing up his hand

793
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,720
Lantern is presumably an attack and they

794
00:39:51,730 --> 00:39:47,520
immediately stripping down with their

795
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,050
options but apparently

796
00:39:59,170 --> 00:39:56,400
and that is the result of the ray gun

797
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:59,180
attack on his hand Lantern

798
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:01,680
we took this to

799
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:04,079
um a number of um physical scientists

800
00:40:09,470 --> 00:40:06,720
and electronical Engineers to sort of

801
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:09,480
ascertain what kind of extraterrestrial

802
00:40:15,410 --> 00:40:12,720
Force has caused that damage and we'll

803
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:15,420
offer a remarkable conclusion out of

804
00:40:19,730 --> 00:40:17,640
this the Extraterrestrial force was

805
00:40:29,290 --> 00:40:19,740
apparently a full lamp

806
00:40:34,310 --> 00:40:32,290
sometimes which might be British terms

807
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,320
and you can maybe tell me what the

808
00:40:38,930 --> 00:40:36,480
American term for it is it's um it's

809
00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:38,940
something that um maybe majors and

810
00:40:42,530 --> 00:40:40,680
decorators were used to strip paint off

811
00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:42,540
the wall and if those blow torch fan

812
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:45,180
thank you okay

813
00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:48,480
approach and of course you could never

814
00:40:53,089 --> 00:40:50,700
clue but that damage was actually caused

815
00:40:55,069 --> 00:40:53,099
by a blow torch or if you could say is

816
00:40:56,109 --> 00:40:55,079
that the mechanical defamation of the

817
00:40:59,089 --> 00:40:56,119
metal

818
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:59,099
from the same kind of results that would

819
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:01,680
emerge from that so it was possible of

820
00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:03,119
course that an alien weapon would

821
00:41:08,690 --> 00:41:05,640
produce the same kind of effect but the

822
00:41:10,609 --> 00:41:08,700
point is for the gravity such as it is

823
00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:10,619
which could provide hard evidence of

824
00:41:14,569 --> 00:41:13,140
something truly alien doesn't come up

825
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:14,579
with a good civil he came up with

826
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:24,109
s what about evidence from photographs

827
00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:26,460
of civilians themselves when he battled

828
00:41:31,150 --> 00:41:28,380
obviously offer a conclusive proof it

829
00:41:34,730 --> 00:41:31,160
will have it but what happens

830
00:41:38,030 --> 00:41:34,740
this one although I think most serious

831
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:43,190
level

832
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:50,390
status

833
00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:52,609
which is a photograph so as you can see

834
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:53,640
this

835
00:42:04,670 --> 00:42:02,349
[Music]

836
00:42:06,890 --> 00:42:04,680
a kind of space

837
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,900
Villages what's interesting about the

838
00:42:10,370 --> 00:42:08,640
case is that the camera was pointed

839
00:42:13,370 --> 00:42:10,380
we're almost straight in the direction

840
00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:13,380
of the nuclear reactor

841
00:42:17,690 --> 00:42:15,720
um well in actual fact if we're not even

842
00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:17,700
talking about UFOs and there's no reason

843
00:42:21,410 --> 00:42:19,260
to do so because there was no UFO

844
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:21,420
involved in the case you would probably

845
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,000
say that that somehow some sort of

846
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:26,160
representation of one of the workers at

847
00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:27,599
nuclear plant which has got into the

848
00:42:32,890 --> 00:42:30,660
photograph somehow or whatever I showed

849
00:42:36,050 --> 00:42:32,900
this Photograph to um

850
00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:36,060
photographic and bodies in Britain were

851
00:42:40,010 --> 00:42:38,220
acting lectures the place of October and

852
00:42:42,349 --> 00:42:40,020
they have not been able to account for

853
00:42:43,490 --> 00:42:42,359
it it has this 35 and in terms of

854
00:42:45,130 --> 00:42:43,500
looking for things like double

855
00:42:47,210 --> 00:42:45,140
Reflections and

856
00:42:50,770 --> 00:42:47,220
magical exposures and things like that

857
00:42:54,609 --> 00:42:53,400
but unfortunately

858
00:42:56,530 --> 00:42:54,619
[Music]

859
00:42:59,809 --> 00:42:56,540
usually

860
00:43:02,770 --> 00:42:59,819
okay uh she's an American mom which I

861
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:02,780
think can result

862
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:13,490
in the background was a hard-boiled egg

863
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:15,960
which one she shows you what you can do

864
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,870
es

865
00:43:31,730 --> 00:43:29,390
to see Mr farm this is one of his

866
00:43:34,220 --> 00:43:31,740
Duran's photographs there are many

867
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:34,230
others and

868
00:43:41,210 --> 00:43:50,650
[Music]

869
00:44:02,060 --> 00:43:53,809
and is now behaving differently and is

870
00:44:32,089 --> 00:44:16,190
[Music]

871
00:44:32,099 --> 00:44:36,480
foreign

872
00:45:34,250 --> 00:44:42,970
[Music]

873
00:45:34,260 --> 00:45:41,680
exposure to Federal facts of The Entity

874
00:45:46,660 --> 00:45:43,849
[Music]

875
00:45:49,930 --> 00:45:46,670
I can't forever

876
00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:52,910
films so it's pretty great but as you

877
00:45:59,210 --> 00:45:55,800
can throw it from your Artful title a

878
00:46:03,010 --> 00:45:59,220
little green figure now

879
00:46:03,020 --> 00:46:09,730
[Music]

880
00:46:13,250 --> 00:46:11,890
UFO history

881
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:13,260
[Music]

882
00:46:18,829 --> 00:46:16,560
the teams have analyzed it the ultimate

883
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:18,839
conclusion with

884
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:21,119
the front comparative photographs of the

885
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:23,040
same you can tell that the figure is

886
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,200
approximately four foot six inches tall

887
00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:27,599
which of course doesn't mean and it's a

888
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,940
4.6 inches taller than it could be a

889
00:46:33,890 --> 00:46:31,920
four foot six inches tall person away

890
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:33,900
into green suit

891
00:46:38,089 --> 00:46:35,359
um

892
00:46:39,710 --> 00:46:38,099
I mean you do have what looks to be a

893
00:46:42,349 --> 00:46:39,720
very impressive place here it is

894
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:42,359
associated with an abduction because the

895
00:46:45,650 --> 00:46:43,680
police officer when he got down to

896
00:46:47,329 --> 00:46:45,660
civilization discovered that the clock

897
00:46:49,730 --> 00:46:47,339
show time of resolution it should have

898
00:46:50,690 --> 00:46:49,740
been he was going to hypnosis when he

899
00:46:53,150 --> 00:46:50,700
came

900
00:46:55,069 --> 00:46:53,160
a friction scenario going inside given

901
00:46:57,290 --> 00:46:55,079
the medical examination show the films

902
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,300
of radio civilization told secret

903
00:47:01,309 --> 00:46:59,520
information which for ultimately be

904
00:47:03,410 --> 00:47:01,319
triggered into remembering and so on and

905
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,420
so forth but we'll still have problems

906
00:47:07,849 --> 00:47:05,520
because we both have definitive proof

907
00:47:12,430 --> 00:47:07,859
but we do as we admit the misdirect case

908
00:47:16,430 --> 00:47:14,930
this is worth swaggering for the clocks

909
00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:16,440
unfortunately

910
00:47:23,650 --> 00:47:18,900
um a copy of Tim's version didn't

911
00:47:30,589 --> 00:47:26,450
conservative British presentation of the

912
00:47:32,930 --> 00:47:30,599
same book this is safe guise that is on

913
00:47:36,050 --> 00:47:32,940
sale here so what I've tried to do with

914
00:47:38,569 --> 00:47:36,060
this is as I said earlier

915
00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:38,579
um try and think around all these

916
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,560
questions that we've faced and also look

917
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,200
for comparisons between the later that

918
00:47:47,630 --> 00:47:45,359
we've got we now don't have a lot of

919
00:47:50,329 --> 00:47:47,640
abduction cases on record it's better to

920
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,339
be documented so we're carriable for

921
00:48:03,520 --> 00:47:52,800
Trends and try and find answers to some

922
00:48:03,530 --> 00:48:09,010
[Music]

923
00:48:13,790 --> 00:48:11,270
invents the story based on information

924
00:48:16,609 --> 00:48:13,800
they have from books television programs

925
00:48:20,510 --> 00:48:16,619
and so on a lot of them the vast

926
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,520
majority of them 90 plus turn out to be

927
00:48:25,730 --> 00:48:23,280
what we call ifos identified by objects

928
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,740
the misperceptions is always the mundane

929
00:48:30,770 --> 00:48:27,599
things that drop down in the sky all the

930
00:48:32,690 --> 00:48:30,780
time and some of them come under this

931
00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:32,700
particularity of the turn down the

932
00:48:41,170 --> 00:48:36,540
latinum AP which rules to describe

933
00:48:47,390 --> 00:48:45,170
because for most people the idea of

934
00:48:49,609 --> 00:48:47,400
little refer is effectively similarious

935
00:48:51,170 --> 00:48:49,619
with Canadian spaceships and of course

936
00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:51,180
that's a presumption because the

937
00:48:55,130 --> 00:48:53,220
interpretation of UFOs as a specialist

938
00:49:04,020 --> 00:48:55,140
is a theory

939
00:49:27,770 --> 00:49:22,300
[Music]

940
00:49:33,470 --> 00:49:30,589
totally convinced as are the majority of

941
00:49:36,349 --> 00:49:33,480
UEFA researchers in Europe that a lot of

942
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,359
the unexplained UFO sightings will

943
00:49:40,609 --> 00:49:38,160
ultimately be reducible to phenomena

944
00:49:43,309 --> 00:49:40,619
like this natural physical energies

945
00:49:45,410 --> 00:49:43,319
which both have any kind of necessity

946
00:49:47,690 --> 00:49:45,420
for an intelligence behind them and they

947
00:49:49,490 --> 00:49:47,700
represent one two three four many

948
00:49:51,530 --> 00:49:49,500
different kinds of phenomena which will

949
00:49:58,530 --> 00:49:51,540
ultimately understand the the physics

950
00:49:58,540 --> 00:50:08,710
[Music]

951
00:50:13,309 --> 00:50:11,809
how do you account for the weather you

952
00:50:14,690 --> 00:50:13,319
can't count for the weather in a simple

953
00:50:16,910 --> 00:50:14,700
way because the weather's a combination

954
00:50:19,010 --> 00:50:16,920
of different things like rain and clouds

955
00:50:20,930 --> 00:50:19,020
and winds and so on and all of them have

956
00:50:21,950 --> 00:50:20,940
different physical causes and I think

957
00:50:24,050 --> 00:50:21,960
that's what we've got with little

958
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,060
reference lots of different phenomena

959
00:50:28,670 --> 00:50:26,400
all over three to one with potential or

960
00:50:30,050 --> 00:50:28,680
different explanations and therefore we

961
00:50:31,849 --> 00:50:30,060
now have to face responsibilities

962
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,859
description experience could be an

963
00:50:37,490 --> 00:50:33,359
entirely different thing you might be

964
00:50:40,550 --> 00:50:37,500
totally support from these simple UFOs

965
00:50:43,850 --> 00:50:40,560
certainly we can't evaluated

966
00:50:49,329 --> 00:50:43,860
a return to certain things

967
00:50:55,609 --> 00:50:52,270
the percentages reports in a typical

968
00:50:58,370 --> 00:50:55,619
group of UFO sightings which which

969
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:58,380
divide into different categories the

970
00:51:02,270 --> 00:51:00,240
biggest block on the top left-hand side

971
00:51:05,390 --> 00:51:02,280
we're talking about the green circle now

972
00:51:07,250 --> 00:51:05,400
is some low definition lights in the sky

973
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,260
type things the sort of things that we

974
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,119
were evaluating in that picture on the

975
00:51:13,690 --> 00:51:11,040
last slide from which potentially could

976
00:51:18,049 --> 00:51:13,700
be the UAP

977
00:51:19,849 --> 00:51:18,059
Green books are what we like our bbr

978
00:51:21,710 --> 00:51:19,859
high next Close Encounters of the first

979
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:21,720
kind but we in Britain tend to call the

980
00:51:25,309 --> 00:51:23,760
museum definition cases because they're

981
00:51:27,170 --> 00:51:25,319
not just lights they're some sort of

982
00:51:28,609 --> 00:51:27,180
structures to them the witnesses an

983
00:51:30,770 --> 00:51:28,619
objects but the thing doesn't do

984
00:51:32,750 --> 00:51:30,780
anything else it's just a basic sighting

985
00:51:35,329 --> 00:51:32,760
of an object and as you can see those

986
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:35,339
two things together uh not had a pretty

987
00:51:41,329 --> 00:51:37,680
hefty percentage of the whole thing 87

988
00:51:44,589 --> 00:51:41,339
percent in fact and I various types of

989
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:44,599
close encounter firmly

990
00:51:49,490 --> 00:51:47,040
organizing experience is that very tiny

991
00:51:52,370 --> 00:51:49,500
bits from which the arrows come in just

992
00:51:55,309 --> 00:51:52,380
one percent so abductions are a very

993
00:52:14,349 --> 00:51:55,319
small fraction of the total UFO

994
00:52:19,549 --> 00:52:17,390
is that they are effectively a

995
00:52:21,049 --> 00:52:19,559
subjective experience although there are

996
00:52:23,450 --> 00:52:21,059
some cases of multiple Witnesses

997
00:52:25,730 --> 00:52:23,460
involved in adoption the vast majority

998
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:25,740
of absorption is primed to be several

999
00:52:30,890 --> 00:52:29,040
witness events not more so than UFO

1000
00:52:33,049 --> 00:52:30,900
sightings the language member of

1001
00:52:34,809 --> 00:52:33,059
witnesses the case which you conduct by

1002
00:52:41,410 --> 00:52:34,819
dividing off the total number of

1003
00:52:46,190 --> 00:52:43,790
this is the case

1004
00:52:50,030 --> 00:52:46,200
now friction it comes down to somewhere

1005
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:50,040
in the region of 1.2 very close to one

1006
00:52:54,589 --> 00:52:51,839
which would of course be just one

1007
00:52:56,569 --> 00:52:54,599
witness the trace type of subjectivity I

1008
00:52:59,329 --> 00:52:56,579
know already got the witness experience

1009
00:53:01,490 --> 00:52:59,339
the phenomena which comes with all kinds

1010
00:53:03,650 --> 00:53:01,500
of a monthly questions like

1011
00:53:05,690 --> 00:53:03,660
life is the subject because if there's

1012
00:53:07,849 --> 00:53:05,700
no hard relevance from others but the

1013
00:53:10,250 --> 00:53:07,859
theme actually happened a reflective

1014
00:53:12,290 --> 00:53:10,260
ability with something like a dream my

1015
00:53:14,270 --> 00:53:12,300
dreams we all know are real because we

1016
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,280
individually have them but you can't

1017
00:53:18,349 --> 00:53:16,559
prove the reality of anybody else's

1018
00:53:20,329 --> 00:53:18,359
dream you can throw the variety of

1019
00:53:21,770 --> 00:53:20,339
physiological changes in the brain but

1020
00:53:24,049 --> 00:53:21,780
the dream is something which you can't

1021
00:53:26,210 --> 00:53:24,059
analyze because we don't have any way of

1022
00:53:28,370 --> 00:53:26,220
translating the dream into a recordable

1023
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:28,380
medium it's a totally subjective

1024
00:53:32,750 --> 00:53:30,480
experience and after a very large extent

1025
00:53:35,690 --> 00:53:32,760
is what the Affliction part of an

1026
00:53:38,450 --> 00:53:35,700
approximate appearance is because

1027
00:53:41,569 --> 00:53:38,460
anybody as far as we know but actually

1028
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:41,579
witnessed an abduction taking place when

1029
00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:44,400
Romanov directly involved which is a

1030
00:53:48,829 --> 00:53:46,920
very distorting piece of information why

1031
00:53:50,990 --> 00:53:48,839
I mean we've got people who've witnessed

1032
00:53:53,329 --> 00:53:51,000
a bank robbery for instance in progress

1033
00:53:56,450 --> 00:53:53,339
when they weren't directly involved

1034
00:53:58,370 --> 00:53:56,460
and I do have some good cases where

1035
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:58,380
people who were going through absorption

1036
00:54:05,150 --> 00:54:01,920
experiences were seen during time when

1037
00:54:08,329 --> 00:54:05,160
they believed they were inside the UFO

1038
00:54:10,370 --> 00:54:08,339
wherever in one place there were flat

1039
00:54:12,770 --> 00:54:10,380
out in bed in a kind of trance-like

1040
00:54:15,650 --> 00:54:12,780
State in another case there were

1041
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:15,660
unconscious on the floor and left a very

1042
00:54:19,790 --> 00:54:18,240
interesting case from Australia the one

1043
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:19,800
of who was leaving herself and

1044
00:54:24,589 --> 00:54:22,559
describing herself to the inside UFO was

1045
00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:24,599
sat with two heretical restaurosis

1046
00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:27,000
describing experience tour as they sat

1047
00:54:29,870 --> 00:54:28,440
there in amazement realizing that

1048
00:54:31,549 --> 00:54:29,880
physically she was exactly where she's

1049
00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:31,559
been all alone still sadly burning in

1050
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:35,160
the class so clearly in cases the

1051
00:54:39,170 --> 00:54:37,200
Philippines demonstrate that the

1052
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:39,180
unfiction experience is not a physically

1053
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:41,520
real phenomenon but those were

1054
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:43,200
physically real cause and I believe

1055
00:54:47,569 --> 00:54:44,880
there's good evidence that there is an

1056
00:54:50,270 --> 00:54:47,579
energy force behind them but they are

1057
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,280
not in themselves physically real

1058
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:52,559
experiences

1059
00:55:01,309 --> 00:55:00,230
there's a shot off at that point since

1060
00:55:03,170 --> 00:55:01,319
it seems an appropriate

1061
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:03,180
appropriate so um

1062
00:55:08,450 --> 00:55:05,040
rather than solve the mystery for me

1063
00:55:11,089 --> 00:55:08,460
because I'm not attempted to do that I

1064
00:55:14,270 --> 00:55:11,099
know honest questions which possibly you

1065
00:55:16,130 --> 00:55:14,280
haven't thought of before and if it

1066
00:55:18,770 --> 00:55:16,140
makes your mind blender along different

1067
00:55:20,930 --> 00:55:18,780
Pathways in this phenomenon but from

1068
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:20,940
achieved over more than I could have

1069
00:55:25,730 --> 00:55:23,040
expected to achieve I thank you for

1070
00:55:27,710 --> 00:55:25,740
greeting me in your country room now I

1071
00:55:29,930 --> 00:55:27,720
certainly enjoyed myself and it's been

1072
00:55:30,829 --> 00:55:29,940
I've ever learning experience for me

1073
00:55:36,530 --> 00:55:30,839
I've

1074
00:55:39,180 --> 00:55:38,210
I'll wake over I hope you do too